Panthers and steelers

i know wattz, and i do see your point 100% this is more a message to dlew about the future of his team. he had a top 5 pick posiition, that will now go to wattz on top of greenway. he can get 3 starting players with such a high pick. i still don't see how its not even the least bit fair, blaine.

a mobile qb is a total waste vs people who can audible just 1 cb to spy with an end contain...but i guess if your in it to run around and fumble with vick hey, be my guest. my overall point though, is the team will be deemed useless in 1 or 2 seasons tops after digression. and whats the point of having a mobile qb with arthritis and no wr's under 35 to throw to? again...not a hit on anyone, just would like to see more big picture awareness when trading is all.

ok. im probably one of the worst players in the madden group as far as record. And only in two lgs have i had a record above .500. those leagues being. kight and grnr 2. in grnr two i had vick. just ask greener
"you are the best scrambler ive seen in the madden group"
-Nathan Greene
go look at my stats with vick. im a different player with a scrambler (who can pass). mike is gonna be around for 3-4 years. im a legit player. if i screw up a team. its my mess to get out of . go look at my grnr1 team i screwed that team up and i still havent left it. if i leave a league its because i dont have time to play in it and believe me this and deathwish are my favorite leagues. so im gonna have that team until madden 12.
i hope to have a better record next year. GL to all of you.

I was under the assumption that the commissioner had the power to veto trades. I'm not a big fan of vetoes, but I think this trade would cry out for one.

phantomshark wrote:I was under the assumption that the commissioner had the power to veto trades. I'm not a big fan of vetoes, but I think this trade would cry out for one.

this doesnt need to be vetoed. i WANT this trade and im not gonna leave this team.... so if i wanna screw up a team im gonna keep till the franchises end then why should you or anyone else care?

BlaineTheMono19 wrote:While there is an obvious winner here, I don't think it's THAT lopsided. As an owner of VY and McNabb in my leagues, a mobile QB literally changes the game if used right. It's hard to value that aspect of if everything breaks down, it's nice to have a guy like Vick who could turn any play into a huge one. Plus, it's just more fun playing with a guy like that. ALSO, like a previous poster pointed out, Late 2nds are almost worthless. Well, not worthless, you get the guys that take a while to develop, but they arn't that valuable.

i completely disagree with the part of late 2nd being almost worthless.. in mg surf lg i wind up getting 80 overall hb jermaine baker who is an A potential with like the 20th pick... and in rd 3 i wind up getting rashard house. who is an 74 overall hb and an A potential.. so i wouldnt call late picks especially in the 2nd rd pointless.. plus young is getting 4 2nd rd picks plus his he already has.. making 5 2nd rd picks and 3 3rd rd picks.. out of those 8 picks.. he could probably get atleast 6 out of 8 which will be starters... so i dont really see that being worthless.. and i had vick in ez lg.. vick is the fastest mobile qb but he is 31 yrs old and his accuracy aint the best either.. i dont care how fast he is.. he aint an actually qb stud...

finally to say that it isnt THAT lopsided?? u most be joking.. 85 overall qb michael vick and 64 overall ROLB travis laboy.. for 88 overall ROLB chad greenway, 81 overall qb matt cassel, 4 2ND RD PICKS, and 2 3RDS?!?!?!? how is that not lopsided?? michael vick aint no A potential he is an B.. and by next season or 2 seasons vick will start to decline... and i know laboy aint no A potential.. so he is more or less worthless... ill break down the trade even better:

STEELERS GOT:

88 ROLB CHAD GREENWAY 29 YRS OLD ? POTENTIAL
81 QB MATT CASSEL 29 YRS OLD ? POTENTIAL
4 2ND RD PICKS
2 3RD RD PICKS

PANTHERS GOT:

64 OVERALL ROLB TRAVIS LABOY 30 YRS OLD ? POTENTIAL
85 OVERALL QB MICHAEL VICK 31 YRS OLD B POTENTIAL

how u figure that its not THAT lopsided??

falconfansince81 wrote:i know wattz, and i do see your point 100% this is more a message to dlew about the future of his team. he had a top 5 pick posiition, that will now go to wattz on top of greenway. he can get 3 starting players with such a high pick. i still don't see how its not even the least bit fair, blaine.

a mobile qb is a total waste vs people who can audible just 1 cb to spy with an end contain...but i guess if your in it to run around and fumble with vick hey, be my guest. my overall point though, is the team will be deemed useless in 1 or 2 seasons tops after digression. and whats the point of having a mobile qb with arthritis and no wr's under 35 to throw to? again...not a hit on anyone, just would like to see more big picture awareness when trading is all.

Didn't say it was fair, just said it wasn't as lopsided as we were making it out to be. And about the mobile QB being a waste. Well in the scenario you provided, just Vick's presence on the field has taken two defenders from their normal role of covering, pass-rushing, filling gaps, etc. So it's now 10 players vs 9, favoring the offense. It's like I said, a mobile QB changes the game.

To all please dont feel I'm tryin to attack anyone by the comments I put it was more so a trend I've noticed on alot of the trades posted that alot of the comments are negative. I look at all the trades that are made in this league just like you all but I don think I've commented negatively on any even though I might be lookin at the computer like WTF..lol It just makes ppl start 2nd guessing the trades they want to accept or offer because they are afraid of the comments that will be posted..Or at leadt for me it did because that half the reason I txt Cheddah about it cuz I even told him i dont know if I'll take it cuz everyone would draw out into something it didnt need to be. But I don't disagree with the whole trade group thing it is a good idea but I was just saying it is way harder to convience a group of ppl that have nothing to do with the trade and see both points on why their doing it vs u and the other just talking out a going to an agreement. But all you are making great points and again I dont disagree that it is a lopsided trade but like Dlew said on his post he feels he can change the game with Vick and so he did what he wanted to get him.

as opposed to taking the rookie qb austin who is essentially vick in his rookie season, just hate to see a quality guy like dlew struggle with a digressing team and the fact you accepted it w/o making a point that there are a lot of up and coming mobile qbs in the draft similar if not even better than vick ever will be in madden. guess its just something i personally couldn't keep on my conscious, but for whatever reason he wanted him that badly to each their own and gl in the draft.

So this is every 2nd and 3rd round pick? Or every pick in the entire draft?

phantomshark wrote:So this is every 2nd and 3rd round pick? Or every pick in the entire draft?

2nd and 3rd