Governing Council *ALL MEMBERS READ*

mblammers wrote:I also think that Delmas is 100% right on this one. I would happily be willing to give up my seat if the group wants to have a "re-do" on the procedure for adding GC members.

GREENERRRR wrote:I created the GC this year because i didnt want to make all the decisions (which was kind of thrust on me originally out of necesssity)

there wasnt guys lining up to be part of the GC and i actually had to RECRUIT guys for the job!!!!! lol...

but clearly we are growing as a group - and perhaps a level of democracy is warranted - but having said that, commishes do a ton of work and out of fairness alone - they DESERVE the right to have a voice in the decision making process however; if they have an attitude similar to cheddah and surf's i respect that bigtime and if they waived their "right" to be automatically in the GC - much KUDOS is sent their way... I am sure thiose 2 quality guys would be voted in anyhow and seeing that the only other LG right now is mjkight (and he is an absolute LOCK for the GC - easily the most level headed - and fair guy around btw - fyi on mjkight - did u know that he was in a playoff game in his LG and his opponent went unexpectedly AWALL - he was gone for 3 days and of course the membership was on mjkight to get the game in because we wanted to get on with the next round and a future season... In every measurable/reasonable way he 100% deserved a CPU game - his opponent hadnt logged on in over 90 hours! BUT he didnt want guys to "look down" on him for being the commish and giving himself a CPU gm in a playoff situation so HE SIMed the game!!!! AND HE LOST!!!! His season was thrown out the door completely!!!!! the guy is full of integrity and has all my respect in the world...) anyhow back to my point - i think the current commishes we have would be easily voted in by the CG - so maybe some sort of voting system should be set uop for next years council...

Cheddah_Cheez wrote:I appreciate the kind words Greener, but I completely disagree with you. You and DW deserve spots on the GC. I wouldn't say anyone else "deserves" a spot without being voted in. Being a commish and running a franchise is not something that puts a person in a spot to make decisions for the betterment of the group. Pretty much anyone can run a franchise. More importantly, in the Madden 11 season, almost anyone willing to try running a franchise was given the chance at some point. By your logic, anyone who wants to be on the GC can just opt to run a franchise. What happens in Madden 12, when we have Minor franchises that run for 2 season (roughly 2 months)? Are we going to make all of those guys GC members too? They'll be running franchises so they should be right? Wrong. Just because a guy runs a franchise doesn't mean he should be making decisions that affect EVERYBODY. Point is, only guys who the community as a whole wants making decisions should be making decisions. Just because I do a good job running a franchise consisting of 32 guys, does not give me the right to make a decision over 200 guys. The other 168 guys might not think I have good things to say, or might not like what I wanna do. See what I'm saying?

Also, if you give every commish the power to be in the GC, you will be attracting the wrong type of guys to become commisioners.

ezweightloss wrote:well considering greener made the GC, i think it is his right as our leader to continue do what he sees fit for the GC, and the group as well. not saying im against a vote but just something to think about. but like i said i'm fine with a vote but since madden is starting to die down for this year i think it would be in everyone's best interest to hold the first annual elections before madden 12 arrives rather than right now. just my opinion though.

also greener regarding your statement, something along the lines of "no one wanted to be on the GC, i had to recruit people" is not evident regarding my case. i was the first to apply for GC membership back in early august, before madden 11 came out. i replied to your thread in a very timely manner. just for the record.

ezweightloss wrote:well considering greener made the GC, i think it is his right as our leader to continue do what he sees fit for the GC, and the group as well. not saying im against a vote but just something to think about. but like i said i'm fine with a vote but since madden is starting to die down for this year i think it would be in everyone's best interest to hold the first annual elections before madden 12 arrives rather than right now. just my opinion though.

also greener regarding your statement, something along the lines of "no one wanted to be on the GC, i had to recruit people" is not evident regarding my case. i was the first to apply for GC membership back in early august, before madden 11 came out. i replied to your thread in a very timely manner. just for the record.

ezweightloss wrote:no i was just throwing it out there.. i dont think nate would do something like that.

Delmas26 wrote:

Cheddah_Cheez wrote:I appreciate the kind words Greener, but I completely disagree with you. You and DW deserve spots on the GC. I wouldn't say anyone else "deserves" a spot without being voted in. Being a commish and running a franchise is not something that puts a person in a spot to make decisions for the betterment of the group. Pretty much anyone can run a franchise. More importantly, in the Madden 11 season, almost anyone willing to try running a franchise was given the chance at some point. By your logic, anyone who wants to be on the GC can just opt to run a franchise. What happens in Madden 12, when we have Minor franchises that run for 2 season (roughly 2 months)? Are we going to make all of those guys GC members too? They'll be running franchises so they should be right? Wrong. Just because a guy runs a franchise doesn't mean he should be making decisions that affect EVERYBODY. Point is, only guys who the community as a whole wants making decisions should be making decisions. Just because I do a good job running a franchise consisting of 32 guys, does not give me the right to make a decision over 200 guys. The other 168 guys might not think I have good things to say, or might not like what I wanna do. See what I'm saying?

Also, if you give every commish the power to be in the GC, you will be attracting the wrong type of guys to become commisioners.

EXACTLY....someone is going to PUSH...becoming a commish...just to get POWER......Whether some of you believe it or not....there are people that want in the GC...just for "Power" or what they think...is more "rights"

COsMiCTrAvO wrote:This is an entertaining thread! I wonder if everyone cares as much about how our lives are influenced by politics and government in real life... our freedom is under attack for real guys.

COsMiCTrAvO wrote:This is an entertaining thread! I wonder if everyone cares as much about how our lives are influenced by politics and government in real life... our freedom is under attack for real guys.

COsMiCTrAvO wrote:This is an entertaining thread! I wonder if everyone cares as much about how our lives are influenced by politics and government in real life... our freedom is under attack for real guys.

COsMiCTrAvO wrote:This is an entertaining thread! I wonder if everyone cares as much about how our lives are influenced by politics and government in real life... our freedom is under attack for real guys.

sam22smith wrote:

COsMiCTrAvO wrote:This is an entertaining thread! I wonder if everyone cares as much about how our lives are influenced by politics and government in real life... our freedom is under attack for real guys.

How so?

Personally, I believe that the freedoms of the citizens of this nation have been under attack since the industrial revolution and the rise of corporate powers. But I am curious about what you are referencing......

mblammers wrote:

sam22smith wrote:

COsMiCTrAvO wrote:This is an entertaining thread! I wonder if everyone cares as much about how our lives are influenced by politics and government in real life... our freedom is under attack for real guys.

How so?

Personally, I believe that the freedoms of the citizens of this nation have been under attack since the industrial revolution and the rise of corporate powers. But I am curious about what you are referencing......

Of course that's your contention. You're a first-year grad student; you just got finished reading some Marxian historian, Pete Garrison probably. You're gonna be convinced of that 'till next month when you get to James Lemon. Then you're going to be talking about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist way back in 1740. That's gonna last until next year; you're gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talkin' about, you know, the pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization.

See, the sad thing about a guy like you is, in 50 years you're gonna start doin' some thinkin' on your own and you're going to come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life: one, don't do that, and two, you dropped 150 grand on a fuckin' education you could have got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library!

mblammers wrote:

sam22smith wrote:

COsMiCTrAvO wrote:This is an entertaining thread! I wonder if everyone cares as much about how our lives are influenced by politics and government in real life... our freedom is under attack for real guys.

How so?

Personally, I believe that the freedoms of the citizens of this nation have been under attack since the industrial revolution and the rise of corporate powers. But I am curious about what you are referencing......

Of course that's your contention. You're a first-year grad student; you just got finished reading some Marxian historian, Pete Garrison probably. You're gonna be convinced of that 'till next month when you get to James Lemon. Then you're going to be talking about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist way back in 1740. That's gonna last until next year; you're gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talkin' about, you know, the pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization.

See, the sad thing about a guy like you is, in 50 years you're gonna start doin' some thinkin' on your own and you're going to come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life: one, don't do that, and two, you dropped 150 grand on a fuckin' education you could have got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library!

Fr8trainShane wrote:

ezweightloss wrote:well considering greener made the GC, i think it is his right as our leader to continue do what he sees fit for the GC, and the group as well. not saying im against a vote but just something to think about. but like i said i'm fine with a vote but since madden is starting to die down for this year i think it would be in everyone's best interest to hold the first annual elections before madden 12 arrives rather than right now. just my opinion though.

also greener regarding your statement, something along the lines of "no one wanted to be on the GC, i had to recruit people" is not evident regarding my case. i was the first to apply for GC membership back in early august, before madden 11 came out. i replied to your thread in a very timely manner. just for the record.

I'd say that when Greener made the GC he relinquished control of the group....and while he's still kind of a symbolic leader (think Queen of England **not calling Greener a Queen fyi **)...he's not really the leader...the GC is. He shouldn't be able to institute laws or rules without a majority consensus of the GC. Otherwise, whats the point of the GC?